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		<title>Obama the Dove?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Sullivan, responding to Christopher Hitchens&#8217; claim that an Obama presidency will mean &#8220;more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less&#8221;, says: I can face the idea of a president Obama taking on and finally defeating Osama. In fact, that&#8217;s the major reason why I favor his candidacy&#8230; . Obama will try [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Sullivan, responding to Christopher Hitchens&#8217; <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2200134/?from=rss">claim</a> that an Obama presidency will mean &#8220;more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less&#8221;, <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-most-dang-2.html#more">says</a>:</p>

<blockquote>I can face the idea of a president Obama taking on and finally defeating Osama. In fact, that&#8217;s the major reason why I favor his candidacy&#8230; .

Obama will try to correct the massive stretegic error of the Iraq invasion and pivot Western allies toward a greater focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan. I believe that Obama will be able to do this with much less global p.r. blowback than McCain and that the support president Obama will get from our European allies will dwarf McCain&#8217;s.</blockquote>

<p>First of all, I should point out that I, too, would welcome a President Obama &#8220;taking on and finally defeating Osama.&#8221; For what it&#8217;s worth, I could face a <a href="http://rhythmlabonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/bunsen_and_beaker.jpg">Honeydew-Beaker Administration</a> &#8220;taking on and finally defeating Osama.&#8221; (Hey, I wouldn&#8217;t even mind if it happened in the next 3-4 months, under Bush, but I get the feeling that happenstance might upset someone&#8230;)</p>

<p>What I really wanted to draw attention to is Sullivan&#8217;s assumption that Obama will be able to formally and officially expand the Afghanistan problem into an Afghanistan-Pakistan problem with &#8220;much less global p.r. blowback than McCain.&#8221; Au contraire. I expect there will be <em>more</em> blowback against Obama.</p>

<p>Right now, he can ride high on a <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world">wave of global public support</a>, but those thronging masses in Berlin and elsewhere are supporting him because they expect something in return: a massive rupture with Bush-era foreign policy. Since this is inchoate mob opinion we&#8217;re talking about here, it wouldn&#8217;t do to overanalyze it; basically they want more talk, fewer bombs, and they think he&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s going to give that to them. Americans, on the other hand, seem more inclined to take him at his word on his promises to get tough with Pakistan (though they still favor McCain on <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080817/pl_politico/12592">national security</a> issues).</p>

<p>Something tells me that, if it comes to a choice between upsetting Americans&#8217; expectations, and upsetting the world&#8217;s, the President of the United States is going to side with&#8230;well, the United States. And this is going to cut across a number of issues besides Afghanistan/Pakistan, as Slate <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2188513/pagenum/2/">pointed out</a> awhile back:</p>

<blockquote>If his diplomats or military advisers told him that the Iranians perceived his willingness to talk as a sign of weakness, he might reconsider his pledge to meet with the Iranian president as quickly as he now promises. Maybe when presented with confidential data gathered by eavesdropping on U.S. citizens, he would be less keen to drop all the measures taken by Bush and criticized by the opposition. Maybe his belief that &#8220;the United States needs to lead the world in ending this genocide&#8221; in Darfur would put him at odds with reality or with some members of the international community.

In each of these cases, Obama would suffer the consequences of high expectations. He would be trapped between the desire to preserve his high standing in the world and the need to act in ways that would erode that standing. Of course—his advisers would argue—it is better to have this political goodwill in the first place. But even if that were true, political goodwill should always be handled delicately. Starting modestly and building up is also an option, sometimes a better one if you aim to keep expectations realistic. (This, I think, is the way John McCain would play his cards internationally.)</blockquote>

<p>It&#8217;s undeniable that the &#8220;get tough on Pakistan&#8221; rhetoric is good for Obama&#8217;s short-term political interests. The world simply isn&#8217;t listening as closely to the candidates&#8217; statements as are Americans, so it&#8217;s easier for them to bask in the unadulterated glow of St. Barack. But if Obama wins in November, he may soon come to realize that hell hath no fury like a Berliner scorned.</p>
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		<title>Consequences</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Damir Marusic</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite honestly, I&#8217;m not sure what to make of this story from the Daily Mail (via Naked Capitalism). Apparently, a Chinese submarine surfaced very close to an American carrier group participating in military exercises off the coast of Japan. The Navy brass is rattled that the sub was not detected and is accusing the Chinese [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite honestly, I&#8217;m not sure what to make of <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&amp;in_page_id=1811">this story from the Daily Mail</a> (via <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/11/as-big-shock-as-russians-launching.html">Naked Capitalism</a>). Apparently, a Chinese submarine surfaced very close to an American carrier group participating in military exercises off the coast of Japan. The Navy brass is rattled that the sub was not detected and is accusing the Chinese of shadowing American carriers.</p>

<p>Curiously enough, the story is not being widely reported. All the hits on Google News seem to be based on the Daily Mail&#8217;s story, with no fresh quotes or insights being offered anywhere. How can a story potentially this big be ignored?</p>

<p>Well even if the story turns out not to be true, <a href="http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/10/post_4.php">these</a> <a href="http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/10/two_more_chinese_ssbns_spotted.php">photos</a> seem to indicate that the Chinese are well on their way to creating a competitive fleet in the Pacific. These are the true threats to American security: mobile nuclear platforms that can sail undetected off the coast of California carrying up to 12 nuclear missiles each. That we&#8217;re currently steeling ourselves for battle with a nation which might possibly get its very first nuclear weapon a few years down the line beggars belief. Iran is of concern, to be sure, but it is a regional irritant at best. The legacies of Bush&#8217;s policies may prove to be darker than most think.</p>
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